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Allen Parker and Paul Hynek together

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welcome to the show guys

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oh thanks for having us here we've been

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looking forward this for two or three

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days yeah have little technical

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difficulties but um I you guys have a

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history and Paul Paul the son of J Allen

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Hynek can you kind of explain how what

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your role you reach answering the phone

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sometimes and and now why don't you tell

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the story about answering the phone when

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Calvin called sure sure so being one of

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the kids on the first floor of the house

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the responsibility for answering the

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phones was quickly delegated from My

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Father to us and one fine day in 1973

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I'm outside playing kickball with my

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friends and that dad-burned phone goes

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off so I have to go running inside and

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stop the game of kickball which is all

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important back in those days and answer

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the phone hello and it's a guy with a

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Southern drawl saying his name is Calvin

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Parker and that he wants to talk to my

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father and I said well my father's not

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here now I was hoping he'd just say okay

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fine thank you no he wanted to give me a

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telephone number did you saw him writing

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down his telephone number and I'm trying

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not to be rude because he seems like a

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nice guy but I got my friends waiting

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outside and then he started I said where

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are you calling from

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and he says Pascagoula I'm thinking all

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mine I can still remember writing that

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the word I thought was a really cool

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word on the chalkboard I could see that

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in my mind's eye and and then I realized

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that this is a man who was going through

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something traumatic and that was not

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uncommon for people who called my house

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so I hope I wasn't too persnickety and

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to Bradley on the phone and I wrote down

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his number and I said I'd give it to my

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father and have him call him back and

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then I went outside and kept playing

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kickball well so just you had a

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chalkboard you used to write up yes

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that was art yes that was our message

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board that was before voicemail yeah

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yeah yeah isn't that amazing

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my question is well how did you spell

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passed

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yeah pas si AG o UL 9 I can't spell it

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till today I was wondering a tribe

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do--she and that's little town - Jones

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yes sir so Calvin do you remember

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actually calling him and talking to him

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I do actually remember I remember

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calling dr. Hynek a lot you never knew

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who was gonna answer the phone because

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you thought he wasn't there he was going

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somewhere now Calvin how did you know

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after this incident to call dr. J Allen

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Hynek well just shortly after the

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incident and this is really puzzling we

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got we've got released from the Sheriff

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Department about 11 something 11:47 that

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night I believe and then six something

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the next morning when we arrived to work

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at the shipyard dr. John Allen Hynek was

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there waiting on us him and dr. J Allen

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harder and in my mind for all these

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years and it still bothers me you know

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this is 1973 they don't have all the

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technology and jets and things like they

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used to how did this man get word of the

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sense of it study it the way that he

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studies things and get to Pascagoula to

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interview me before I forgot what I was

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talking about amazing this question for

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you Paul

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do you remember any specific incidences

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in the house where they ever talked

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about it was always quiet in the

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household

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oh no there was no there was no sort of

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radio silence or or secrecy because you

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know Blue Book was not classified and

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you know I recently had the honor of

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meeting Lieutenant Colonel Robert friend

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I don't know if you met Robert Wyman

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I've met Rob a friend just for a few

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minutes just shook his hand yeah yeah he

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was the last surviving member Air Force

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director of Project Blue Book and he was

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an American Hero in addition to Project

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Blue Book he was a Tuskegee Airmen and

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he worked on the space shuttle and I met

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him when he was nine

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nine years old and I went to his 99th

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birthday party and I told him a joke

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that George Burns had said because

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George Burns was famous for wanting to

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be a hundred years old and some lady

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asked him but mr. burns who really wants

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to be a 100 years old and George Burns

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said someone who's 99 so but Robert

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friend among other things told me that

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Project Blue Book wasn't classified

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because it had two names so people the

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military would know that it's not

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classified it has two names so the

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things that went on in Project Blue Book

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mean some of the things were classified

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but largely were not so my father was

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not really able or comfortable to speak

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publicly about the inner workings or the

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sausage factory of the explanation

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Factory of Project Blue Book but he felt

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no compunctions about discussing things

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at home

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so did the Pascagoula case ever come up

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well I also remember because I felt

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personally invested having been such an

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important jeweler field investigator at

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the beginning and a nice little opera

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group Thank You Calvin thank you so you

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know my father was very impressed by the

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case and you know there was a part where

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Calvin and Charlie think we're in a

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police station being recorded and it was

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recorded after everyone was gone and

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they did no talk about an extended hot

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mic and and their story remained

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consistent and so my father was very

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impressed by their sincerity the

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consistency of their story over time and

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also that aspect of it because that was

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something that he was convinced that

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they didn't know they weren't playing to

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the camera and that just was remained

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remarkably consistent with their more

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sort of public telling of the of the

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incident okay so a question for you

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Calvin do you you didn't really want to

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talk about it but what do you remember

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what you were actually saying when the

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when they left the room and you and

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Charlie we're talking to you remember

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some of the things you talked about I

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remember some of the things and here

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lately you know since I've got back into

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this a little bit I listen to it on the

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internet but yeah we mostly talked about

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how scared we were

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and I told Charlie it feels like I

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stepped on the damn rattlesnake and then

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I said a little prayer in there cuz I'm

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a very Christian me and you know usually

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and we we really didn't discuss the case

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but we could tell the fear in both

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football voices and of course Charlie

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you know he was a Korean man had been to

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Korea and not much really scared him I

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bothered him but he was scared in now

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Kelvin one thing I don't ever remember

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you talking about until I heard it you

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tell it at you're here at the convention

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is that the female one of that seemed

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like a female actually put her hand in

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your throat I never remember you talking

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about it did you leave that out

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purposely before well sometimes you can

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open your mouth without thinking and I

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didn't even think to include that in

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there but I've left it out of a lot of

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shows and sometimes I bothered for me to

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really talk about it I understand

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because she had long fingers her two

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middle fingers was longer and she run

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them down my throat and behind that

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little hanging damn thing and I was

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choking my nose started bleeding I was

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bleeding at the mouth and you know I was

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in a panic I thought I was dying

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sounds very traumatic yeah now did you

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ever did you actually tell that to

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Paul's dad or the other you did tell

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them that I had a one-on-one

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conversation and I had told nobody I

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would talk to nobody about that and of

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course when he showed up I had no idea

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who he was because I hadn't been

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following this and I'm sure what in the

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Stargazer I didn't how much of an

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or anything so I didn't know who this

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man was but he said across the table for

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me and he'd give me a real stern look

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and it wasn't a bad look but it was just

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there like you would look at what are

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you kids just kind of scold him or

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something and I know that look yeah I

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bet you do and it just made me feel like

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I needed to open up to him and he's the

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only person I really opened up to that

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even had dr. harder with him and I

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wouldn't open up to dr. harder because I

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didn't think I could really trust him

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that much so but I did trust dr. honey

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and later on and it was all probably 93

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for I really found out who he was but I

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did feel comfortable talking to him

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afterwards because he told me to call

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him if I ever needed him for anything

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and there's times that I've had panic

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attacks and call him and he wouldn't be

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there but he would always manage to call

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you back

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Calvin you mentioned that that they both

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jumped on a plane at their own expense

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and acquired a question for you

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were you aware that your father

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sometimes went and checked out cases

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that he wasn't even being funded for I

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mean at that time I was 10 11 years old

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so I wasn't really thinking about sure

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who was paying for the trips yeah my

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father traveled more than anybody I've

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ever met

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so here's gone quite a lot so and some

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some trips would blur together like I

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suspect that the reason he was able to

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show up at 6:47 the next morning he was

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probably in the Gulf Coast somewhere on

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some other business otherwise it becomes

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almost impossible to make it right

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especially the time difference so I

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don't know but yeah he was just

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traveling all the time and I knew that

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the Air Force was sending around

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sometimes sometimes as people inviting

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him to speak but I didn't really know

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how the finances work now you know when

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when

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they called the house didn't they have

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another number like Project Blue Book

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that they would call and someone would

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take a message and forward it to them or

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did people just call the house there may

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have been another phone for a while but

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by a large we just had one phone I mean

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this is you know a couple phones in the

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house would have been ultra fancy for us

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no no I meant the blue Project Blue Book

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office was old there was a brother there

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was a blue bow goddess women this is

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1970 blue book was yeah defunct by right

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okay

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so an hour and our name was in the phone

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book so anybody could look us up okay

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cause people were still calling your dad

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long after project oh absolutely yeah

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especially in the 70s with Close

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Encounters absolutely oh yes yes yes

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Wow and so but you would take a message

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for him and when he check in and get

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messages and then keep you traveling all

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over the place and pick up his messages

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and it has that how we operated yeah it

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was probably my mom who would relay the

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message from the chalkboard to my dad

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because I don't know if my dad would be

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bothered to look at my scribblings on a

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chalkboard yeah yeah yeah Wow

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listen it's such an interesting house

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holding I can't even imagine it well you

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know however you grow up is normal to

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you whether it's good or bad so I mean I

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it's it's looking back at in hindsight

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that I realized how wonderful it was in

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many aspects and in giving talks like

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today where I able I'm able to talk

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about conceive from people how people

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reacted oh that's different yeah and it

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was it was it was a one-round that was a

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very very lucky kid it was a loving

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family and a mother and father were just

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wonderful people Wow Wow I spoke with

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Merv Griffin's son 20 Griff and I worked

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on his estate and he said he used to ask

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kids in school what time's your dad on

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TV so on the cases like after Project

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Blue Book what would what would your dad

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actually do with these cases at that

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point when there wasn't reporting as

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there was these were for personal

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interests well in 1973 he started the

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Center for UFO studies yeah so that was

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his own research vehicle

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to take the information from Blue Book

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and add to it information from that

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large so this is when he that was in

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gear at that time when this happened yes

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I believe so yeah how about that so be

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one of the early cases mm-hmm that's

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right and I'm wondering if that's still

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available too

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oh yes and there's been a lot of

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write-ups at the Center for you of our

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say it's not just a case but there's

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been a lot of write-ups about the

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Pascagoula case yeah yeah

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Calvin you have some new information can

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you talk about that since we've last

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talked sure new witnesses and what you

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explained on that whole deal of you

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would then after this interview on Fox

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News they have a little blog spot down

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at the bottom of the thing well there's

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this young lady trace player that made a

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comment on there and said my mother and

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father seen this back in 1973 and they

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chose not to talk about it well I had no

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idea who she was and who a mother and

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father was and anything

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so Philip like a bloodhound he got on

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he's and he started hunting well

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eventually he got a hold of trace and

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found out her mama's phone number which

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was Maria Blair and gave her a call and

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come to find out she was actually there

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and she actually witnessed the crowd and

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the lie the bright light that came on

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and everybody said well she just needs

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to publicity or wants her 15 minutes of

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fame that's not the case at all she

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didn't even want to come out with it now

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and I went and sweet-talked her a little

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bit and she there you know please you

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got to give an interview we're doing a

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book and I would love to add this in her

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book Plus Philip got a hold of well we

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sent somebody over to interviewer that I

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was a little more comfortable than I

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or filler which was arranged Scott oh

348
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yeah and you know she was able to

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establish the communication and get to

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interview well since then I've stayed in

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close contact with her

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matter of fact her husband's in the

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hospital in bad shape right now and it's

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been several more eyewitnesses just came

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out I mean we wake up in the morning we

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don't never know who's gonna be laying

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on our doorsteps or sitting in a car

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after I want to talk and I said well how

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do y'all find us but you know this is a

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to the computer you can find anybody

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yeah and that's how it goes but we've

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got all these new eyewitnesses and he's

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come up with a lot of documents and

364
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other testimony and another thing that

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stands out after being hypnotized again

366
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you know we didn't talk about this the

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first time I recognized a car there and

368
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the tag number on the car well and

369
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called that now this is 27 years later

370
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so I knew the tag number and did the

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investigation work and it was a lady and

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a guy with our parking like teenagers

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used to do just kind of making out in

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the car and we was able to trace it back

375
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where we found her she's in a nursing

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home in Mississippi and she asked me

377
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please don't tell nobody Who I am

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my husband died and she said we seen it

379
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when it came down and we were scared to

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move before it left we couldn't move and

381
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we was afraid to move so we stayed there

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to really see what happened to y'all but

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as soon as we sent y'all coming up out

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of the off the pier we hold button got

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out of there

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and she said please don't mention is Who

387
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I am so I've been wanting to take a tape

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recorder and she said you know she might

389
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well there's an 8 millimeter film come

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out of a guy he just showed up on our

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doorstep Saturday

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again he called and he used to work for

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the railroad well he had heard that

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night through a psychic right after this

395
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and around this time you know but he

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said he got it from a psychic that there

397
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was going to be a UFO land or abduction

398
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or a sighting now I'm like him I would

399
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have blowed you doll but she can't

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Pacifica G to him when he took his

401
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camera and his wife over and they got

402
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some footage and right now the footage

403
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is in all the UK t and they going over

404
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to see how legitimate everything is and

405
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what it is to it but he brought the

406
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canister to the house and just handed to

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me and I sent it secure mail to fill a

408
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mantle but the D sir if that's vintage

409
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film there's really nothing they can do

410
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without them noticing it was not like

411
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big hands places right doesn't mess with

412
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it that's what I had heard and they

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gonna transfer to it like a CD digital

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format

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so I'm excited about seeing that window

416
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more about that might be well all

417
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interesting stuff so you you mentioned

418
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fill up a couple times for the person

419
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that doesn't know that's Phillip Neelam

420
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can you just explain Phillip mantle is

421
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the person that contact he made that

422
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really taught me in the right to book

423
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him of my wife what had happened we have

424
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been to awake a friend of our neighbor

425
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of ours died but nobody really knew who

426
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I was because I wouldn't let nobody call

427
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my name out in public or anything but I

428
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messed up and sign the register and it

429
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was probably six or seven people from

430
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Texas come up want to talk about this

431
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it's just a guy's way and we felt like

432
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this was not a subject needed to be

433
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brought up when a woman's breathing over

434
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her husband and her daughter's breathing

435
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so we just slipped active widened and I

436
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slept at the back door well on the way

437
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home she said maybe you should write a

438
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book I said no I'm not gonna write in a

439
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rule she should think about it maybe you

440
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should people's want to know what's

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going on

442
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so just to give her off my bag I didn't

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tell her I'm a writer that I said look I

444
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don't have much of education I don't

445
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care nothing about it I said but I own a

446
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ghostwriter which I lied then I had no

447
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intention something go this was just to

448
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get her off my cake so what she kept on

449
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nagging a little bit about it every time

450
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I see her you know she'd bring it up

451
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well I was getting tired of hearing it

452
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then the next thing I knew and this was

453
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just a day or two after you had all lent

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me and asked me if you could give my

455
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contact information to fill a mental

456
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well I didn't know who Philip fennel was

457
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but I felt like if he's been trying not

458
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long to get a hold of me maybe it's

459
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something important

460
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well in the process Philip got ahold of

461
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me after that and talked and he said how

462
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come you never went public with all this

463
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for anything

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I said Bella pie did didn't want to and

465
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not going to he said fine I said one

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thing the media gets it that hacks it up

467
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and changes everything that she's saved

468
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he said look let me tell you something

469
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and this really got me to thank him when

470
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he said it cuz one that was on my butt

471
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he was on my butt now he said did you

472
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put this in right and they can't change

473
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what you say so I thought about that so

474
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we're coming back let me think about it

475
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he called back in probably four or five

476
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days and I was gonna scream my phone

477
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calls because I put his number in no

478
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answer and I was actually gonna scream

479
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my phone calls to keep him having to

480
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talk to him but I was facing down at the

481
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boat landing and done I didn't answer

482
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the phone I didn't look at him so I felt

483
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it would be really rude to hang up on

484
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him but I was just cutting real short

485
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about it like like I was with you and

486
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you called me yeah exactly right you

487
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know I can understand being rude on the

488
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phone

489
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so anyhow and we thought about it talked

490
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about it why not talked about it and

491
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we're great to do this book but the deal

492
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will fill it was look Philip I don't

493
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have an education I'm not gonna let

494
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nobody else write a book like this this

495
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important as far as I'm concerned

496
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because I believe it just long I do not

497
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want the book edited I don't want you to

498
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correct a misspelled word I don't want

499
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you to put on any kind of punctuation

500
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mark or comma or a question mark or

501
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anything in this book that's not already

502
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there I want the book as it is and

503
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Philips been great about that he has

504
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stood exactly by his word there's been

505
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one word changed in the book and it was

506
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funny to me and that was at the very end

507
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I was talking about eating a bologna

508
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sandwich well he thought I

509
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misinterpreted for a blondie sandwich

510
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and he changed it to a Pondy sandwich

511
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I said no I've never had a blondie

512
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but you know he did he stood by his word

513
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he's been a great publisher a great

514
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person and we've become friends and

515
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matter of fact I was for my first time a

516
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couple of weeks ago supposed to go to

517
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the UK they already had my plane ticket

518
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and we set up to speak at their o ocam

519
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conference or whatever that was and I

520
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got sick I was like this guy he was

521
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talking about that his bladder exposés

522
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well mine like to him so they rushed me

523
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to the emergency room to have inserted

524
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after will the leg dangles and I lived

525
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with that for a week in it yeah I just

526
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couldn't get on the airplane with that I

527
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couldn't bring myself to do it I didn't

528
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even go outside the house with it yeah

529
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so Paul do you remember besides and just

530
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:39,810
talking about this case in particular

531
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you remembered about the secret

532
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recording was there other details that

533
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:48,280
kind of stood out to you about this case

534
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because you said you kind of had an

535
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interest because you took the call is a

536
00:24:01,220 --> 00:23:58,000
long time I understand yeah my father

537
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well I didn't know how soon he got there

538
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after Calvin and Charlie reported I just

539
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found that out today

540
00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:09,160
I knew he was there pretty quickly so

541
00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:11,470
that's also an important factor because

542
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:13,720
when you get there right away as Calvin

543
00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:15,130
has said people's memory is fresh

544
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:17,020
there's also more evidence you can

545
00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:19,510
collect maybe the men in black that my

546
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:21,430
father did come across have not had a

547
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:23,530
chance to get there yet there still may

548
00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:25,210
be evidence to collect so it's a much

549
00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:28,030
better you get a handle on things much

550
00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:30,040
better that way so I was another aspect

551
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:33,540
of the case and he just came back very

552
00:24:40,350 --> 00:24:37,080
impressed by both of their sincerity

553
00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:40,360
that was something I was wondering are

554
00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:42,670
they men in black yeah let's let's talk

555
00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:45,430
about that let's end the show today I

556
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:47,380
want to hear I never heard this story

557
00:24:59,250 --> 00:24:57,300
sure so you know my father was I guess

558
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,260
you could call him a government agent or

559
00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:01,360
a g-man of some sort and he was working

560
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:04,420
for the government yeah but we tend to

561
00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:06,310
think of the government especially with

562
00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:09,070
UFOs and disclosure as one big

563
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:12,280
monolithic entity that works in a

564
00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:15,250
rational coordinated fashion well the

565
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:16,780
more you learn about government the less

566
00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:18,430
rational and the less coordinated they

567
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:21,040
are and for something like this you know

568
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:22,780
we're the biggest secrets of all time

569
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,230
you've got a lot of warring factions

570
00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:28,480
inside the government back inside the

571
00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:29,980
department you know the Department of

572
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,190
Defense these things just fall apart

573
00:25:40,510 --> 00:25:35,840
with the government they follow

574
00:25:42,669 --> 00:25:40,520
[Laughter]

575
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:42,679
the cameraman just went lame okay so you

576
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:45,250
know we always improvise here yeah so

577
00:25:48,669 --> 00:25:47,210
with the government you're gonna have

578
00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:48,679
different agencies and different people

579
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:50,059
inside the same agency in different

580
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:52,490
levels wanting and believing different

581
00:25:56,740 --> 00:25:54,290
things and having different levels of

582
00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:56,750
access to information so it's not

583
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,730
surprising at all that you have my

584
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:01,520
father a duly appointed employee of the

585
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:04,809
US government being thwarted in his

586
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,330
investigations by the men in black you

587
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:11,360
know as of 1953 after the Robertson

588
00:26:17,650 --> 00:26:14,600
panel Project Blue Book was a sham it

589
00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:17,660
was a public relations exercise to tamp

590
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:20,780
down hysteria about UFOs it wasn't out

591
00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:23,000
to try to reverse-engineer propulsion

592
00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:26,270
systems so you have this group trying to

593
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:31,220
manufacture Pat answers to very bizarre

594
00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:34,850
enigmas but then you have other entities

595
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,950
of the US government more interested in

596
00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:39,200
finding out what's going on and digging

597
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:44,030
below that level so my father saw a lot

598
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:45,770
of evidence and heard a lot of accounts

599
00:26:51,130 --> 00:26:48,710
and I believe saw men in black now that

600
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:51,140
the name sounds kind of trite and goofy

601
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:54,050
now but it was basically people dressed

602
00:26:59,530 --> 00:26:57,170
in dark clothes and dark sedans arriving

603
00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:59,540
at places perhaps even faster than my

604
00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:01,730
father who showed up seven odd hours

605
00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:05,030
later in Pascagoula yeah that was one

606
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:07,670
thing I was wondering about when he

607
00:27:12,910 --> 00:27:10,970
showed up it could he be trusted women

608
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:12,920
somebody in the ship y'all told me he

609
00:27:19,270 --> 00:27:15,890
was I said can he be trusted or anything

610
00:27:22,419 --> 00:27:19,280
but he had an oral rounding that you

611
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:22,429
could all feel secure with that you

612
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:24,410
didn't mind opening up and talking he

613
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:27,530
just had that way about it like a parent

614
00:27:30,010 --> 00:27:29,210
pretty boy you better tell me what's

615
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,020
going on

616
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:31,760
but he wouldn't say it that way he'd

617
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:33,650
give you the look like you get from you

618
00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:36,170
why what enough you do something she

619
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:38,990
don't lie but not write a book not write

620
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:39,830
a book

621
00:27:44,919 --> 00:27:43,490
exactly but this book it's been a great

622
00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:44,929
experience for me

623
00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:47,390
and I'm actually young requests on the

624
00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:51,230
hunt for answers myself and not

625
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:53,960
particularly on anybody else's cases or

626
00:27:59,740 --> 00:27:56,809
anything but I'm on the hunt to cover my

627
00:28:02,700 --> 00:27:59,750
case first and then if I help out

628
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:02,710
somebody on the way I do and we have

629
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:06,950
welcomed a lot of strange visitors into

630
00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:09,590
our house and talked to him and if I

631
00:28:14,379 --> 00:28:12,230
didn't think that was legitimate you

632
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:14,389
know I'd get up and run them on now and

633
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:16,850
it's been scary in a way well I've had

634
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:18,830
some scary people come up with some

635
00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:21,919
scary stories but then most of them are

636
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:24,679
just down-to-earth and good people that

637
00:28:28,299 --> 00:28:26,840
want to talk about this a little bit it

638
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:28,309
don't know who to talk to and need

639
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:30,620
somebody to speak well yeah that's nice

640
00:28:34,330 --> 00:28:32,870
I want to say something you know Calvin

641
00:28:36,879 --> 00:28:34,340
has said that he was impressed and a

642
00:28:38,529 --> 00:28:36,889
little bit skeptical I think with good

643
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:38,539
reason about how fast my father showed

644
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,090
up I'm also impressed that after this

645
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:43,279
incident you showed up to work the next

646
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:46,809
day yeah we did show up to work and

647
00:28:53,230 --> 00:28:49,700
maybe not tote somebody this all the

648
00:29:02,830 --> 00:28:53,240
time I got hard fired and a physical all

649
00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:02,840
in the same day some of their workers to

650
00:29:08,409 --> 00:29:06,860
get second I don't think those those

651
00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:08,419
aliens are gonna be customers of the

652
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:12,200
shipyard no and I actually oh they

653
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:14,690
actually said that maybe for a few days

654
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,340
off but they paid me for the bend dr.

655
00:29:23,169 --> 00:29:21,200
Hynek showed up in her office and they

656
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,179
did the interview there they paid for

657
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:26,240
the interview with him gave me a check

658
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:30,320
then kept me in a book to let me go man

659
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:32,330
awesome well that that's it you guys

660
00:29:37,149 --> 00:29:34,970
thanks so much it's been been a real

661
00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:37,159
pleasure I'm so glad you are so glad

662
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:39,080
this worked out we could talk today

663
00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:41,809
Thank You Paul you've relieved of office

664
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:44,870
in capacity me I appreciate likewise

665
00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:47,090
it's pleasure thanks for taking that

666
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,940
message Paul yeah thank you